Posted by aquila2
btw. those new nokia suppose to support ActiveSync protocol, which means direct syncrhonization OTA with MS Exchange. well quite an important news.
other thing is that E60 and E70 have got still the good old connector, what is a very good think for people like me haveing nokia chargers all over the place I am on a regular basis
Posted by david1975
well yeah i see i just meant people might be put of by the flip and keyboard
Posted by mario2002
Someone said 'SE hurts Nokia' , the numbers seem to indicate otherwise - Nokia has 1/3 of the multi billion cell market , while SE has so far the worst year in their history :-( I think even Alcatel manage to do better. 3 quarter numbers will be released shortly but sadly SE is not expected to brake any profit records.I personaly thinks Nokia looks at its 'immediate' competition.Motorola (3) and especialy Samsung (2) may pose a problem. As for the small manufacturers (less then 10%) I don't think anyone is splitting any haires.
Posted by Nokialoverx
Exactly my friend.I dont know why SE fans go on like nokia cares about them.
Posted by Super G
For it simply makes them feel better
I guess they feel pride saying Nokia fighting
as opposed to saying LG fighting They want to be compared to THE big one, not a small one
Big vendors such as Motorola, Samsung are very likely targets. But in a competitive market, you must take care of all your competitors for a very simple reason that small competitors make altogether up for a big one.
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Posted by ares
what makes us fell better is seing you bunch of fanboys all coming to the biggest SE fan site in the world, badmouthing SE whenever you can lol
go on then
Posted by peeta
i see more se phones around than i do nokia. strange i know but among certain groups certain brands do better than others. i don't hang around with chavs ergo i don't see many nokias
Posted by mib1800
i think nokia worries more about RIM/WM/Palm than SE in the enterprise segment. The e-series (together with 9300/9500/7710) is Nokia's way of solidifying its position in this segment.
SE presence in the enterprise segment is virtually non-existence. The only phone SE has which have any chance to compete in this segment is the P9XX series. Unfortunately, due to overpricing and lacklustre specs, the number of P9XX sold is miniscule compare to the other enterprise smartphones.
So can the new P990 deal SE back into the enterprise segment? It has the potential provided SE plays its card right (i.e. price it competitively.)
Posted by Prom1
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What? Are you on both sides of this arguement?? None of the Nokia E-series is "properly" suited to corporates/enterprises business clients. Maybe for those that pay for their OWN phones, but not for employees issued a corporate phone to access their MS Outlook Exchange emails while mobile. I work for a coporate company. IBM. And they check your phone, everyday before entering past the security desk to make sure that your phone doesnt have a camera & memory card slot. They also check for USB keys & CD-R/RW, DVD-R/RWs. all this when you enter & leave the campus. Because their under contract - just like employees are - with their clients to protect the proprietory information & security of their information. The E60 has a camera & memory card slot. Fails in the security check. The E61 has a memory card slot. It too fails. The 70 has a camera & memory card slot it also fails. The SE P990i too fails. So would the Motorola Q as well. ALL of RIM's BlackBerry's dont have expandable memory card slots. They also dont have camera's. They would pass this security test. And if provisioned on a corporates server (MS Outlook Exchnage Server or Lotus Notes Domino) then they can be locked remotely so that EVEN a firmware upgrade or downgrade (yes the OS can be downgraded) wouldnt unlock the device. This lock is seperate from SIM card lock. This is a AES DES encryption lock! Nothing is gonna hack it short of 1year of continuous uptime on a mainframe! Its a proven solution that coporations trust. Read up about it before comparing anything to it. I do tech support for them as well; although at a limited level.
Now that is out of the way.
The P990i offers supreme camera quality pictures to anything out there because it uses the same technology proven already in the K750/W800 phones. Nokia is close with the N90 using Carl Zeiss lens but isnt gonna work on the Eseries or other 2 Nseries. That is multimedia. SE's solution for music could be improved, but Nokia doesnt have anything that compares as anyone knows of yet (N91 & 3250 are preliminary so any previews are not contrary).
The Nokia E61 doesnt offer anything email support wise that the P990i should be capable of. So their evenly matched here. Sure 802.11i/e/g is much better but because its so slim, I'm thinking that lack of antenna signal strength is the reason for those technologies in use. We'll see though after production line is launched and available.
Posted by govigov
i really like the E61....
but i am sure, P990 can beat that...
Posted by S4k1s
Only Nokia phone I would touch is the N70, all other Nokias suck. This new E-series is really bad bad bad ...
The N70 is a really nice phone though and I'm thinking of buying one.
Posted by alexlt
Why such a wonderful screens in a device which is targeted for a Business Market??
Posted by S4k1s
Nokias research shows (Enterprise )people need 16million colors and big screens to read their e-mail :]
Posted by alexlt
16 million colors just for an email
I will perfectly understand in devices marketed as multimedia or imaging, but in a business phone??
Why do you need so many colours?? Most business emails are texts, maybe some graphics, but you will perfectly fit with a 65K colours screen
Posted by orange
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WOW! I'm not quite sure how your post relates to the quoting. Care to explain a bit?
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Well, what does the majority of the normal office people do with their PC's? They use it mostly for e-mail and word processing. Why do they have 24 or 32-bit screens for reading e-mail and producing/reading documents? Should they only have 16-bit screens?
I would say that it's a normal evolution rather than a need.
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Posted by mario2002
Huh,you write a lot buddy,can you repeat that ;-)
Posted by alexlt
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Is there a PC screen with 16-bit colours??
I understand that this is a normal evolution for a "normal" phone, but these are Enterprise phones targeted for business users and they don't need to put a 16 million colour screen, with a 65K will do well their job. In an imaging phone I would give a very good opinion, but in an business phone you don't need 16 million because it was made for work, not entertainment
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My post above clearly relates to your statment above mine, but you just stated it. "normal office people do with their pcs" is formating documents, emails, reports, viewing pictures hence teh 24/32bit screens on small real estate make it better/easier on your eyes. My post above was to point out that even though the lack of a camera the E61 still leaves most business' not able to employ it as a VoiP/wireless corporate email/PBX solution. Because of the expandable memory is a risk to corporate security
Posted by orange
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As I said, that's natural evolution. Why anybody would want to go a couple of years back in development? But in this forum it comes down to the fact that this is an SE (anti-Nokia) forum. If Nokia has something before SE, it's always bad and if SE has something before it's a huge advantage over Nokia. And even though those E-series are targeted to the enterprises it doens't mean that all the multimedia features are not there. The only thing that's not there is the camera. Even though E70 has that too.
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I wouldn't call IBM "a most of the business". I also know several companies that don't allow memory cards usage in the mobile devices in their premises, but having a memory card slot in the device is not an issue.
Posted by (sc)chronos
nokia has announced three new phones with some features which the other two has not. what is nokia trying to do? look at e61. a phone whose only feature is sending e-mails, and some morons try to compare this copy designs with p990. this Eseries will be a total fiasco like the Nseries.
Posted by mib1800
(sc)chronos:
statistically speaking Nokia sells 20 times more smartphones than SE. For overall total Nokia sells 5 times more phones than SE.
Nokia E-Series are smartphones
SE P series are smartphones.
Go figure (if it is not beyond ability to do so) :lol
Posted by (sc)chronos
i know nokia sells 20 times more because there are always some blokia zealots like you who worship to every stupid phone nokia announces. tell me, who is going to buy e61, a brick whose only feature is to send e-mails? businessmen? if they're businessman, they would buy the P series...
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Posted by mib1800
(sc)chronos:
Huge majority bought Nokia smartphone therefore majority speaks, isnt it. Majority of the world thinks Osama is fanatical zealot. Only a few think he is a saviour. Which one are you? Sore-loser.
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Posted by Dr.pratikB.
what is your problem with nokia.you guys simply cant accept the truth.always bashing the nokia.i have read quite a bit about new p series.it's not up to expectations of many.forget.some guys cant understand.what is the price for E 70.it's my next phone for sure.
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yes, p990 does not fullfill the expectations, as no phone will ever do. in fact it will have a serious problem which will be the lack of software. but it is the best in overall features. also, no one can produce a perfect phone. if you dont mind the price, the best option is p990. you must accept this.
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What isn't going to work on the other 2 Nseries? Does the N91 and N70 not have Carl Zeiss lenses?
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@(sc)chronos
best option for what???
Posted by mario2002
If the 990 can't use the 'others' Pxx's software then is not a 'real' P ! It certainly looks different too.Looks more like a oversized 6680 then a 'usual' Pxx.And how long time will take anyway to rewrite/recompile all the programs for it ? The S60 and microsoft's newest palmtop software is not only compatible with previous versions but they already have a vast program base ! Another point is why on earth did SE implement the outdated wifi (b) and not the latest faster version as nokia ? Isn't this supposed to be their 'flagship' ?
Posted by (sc)chronos
i know that one of p990's drawbacks is the uncompability. but it will reduce over time. if
manages to get a good software support for p990, it would be great.
Posted by mario2002
What also bothers me is the slow processor is using ! Why ? Nokia announced a cell 18moths ago and released it 11moths ago which is using exactly the same chip with the same clock speed ! (non other then the legendary 6630) go check if you don't believe ! Apparently the P990 was designed almost 8moths ago but because stability problems with the 'new' OS never made it to the production line.That will explain the slow chip,same camera as the k750 and the slow wifi ! Now if the developers could'nt sort the OS out by now,what guaranties do we have that it will be sorted in 3-6 months from now ? And even if they will,can one still consider it a 'flagship' model by then ? After all the competition isn't exactly sleeping you know ;-)
Posted by Super G
So P990 is only supporting 802.11b?!?!?!
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only the n90 is using the carl zeiss system, sacrificing the vibration functioon on the phone. the n90 is the camera based phone so this is to b expected tbh. it would be like the n91 not bein the only one with 4gb harddrive for music
Posted by mario2002
Yes Super G , unfortunately is true, only 802.11b. That was acceptable as of early 2005 but certainly not in a flagship 2006 model, especially if the competition is 5x faster :-( also the camera (not that important anyway for the market which is targeted) only works well in good day light, the night quality is only satisfactory (to put it mildly) and to make it even worse the picture is already heavy preprocessed. (unlike the N90) It may look good on 'first sight' but that's it !
Posted by masseur
here is a preview of the E61 at AllAboutSymbian
Posted by dude_se
looks more like a proper pda and not a phone. it is a pda with a built in phone imo. looks decent and must have good specs but i wouldnt use it as a phone
dude_se
Posted by Super G
I waiting for mine (E61), to arrive this or next week
Posted by masseur
great! be sure to write a mini review or at least post your comments here