Posted by united
I would like to invite all pro-European members of the Esato forum to become a founding member of the Europe United. Read more at:
www.EuropeUnited.Org
United, strong and dynamic Europe!
Aki Paasovaara
The Initiator of the Europe United
About us: Europe United is a pro-European, pan-European and federalist political party which advocates for further integration and establishment of a United Europe.
The site is under constant development. We apologise any inconveniences.
Posted by Leviath
I was part of a political organization at a high level a few years back, the only thing I have to say about political or polititians....
Theire not needed...
Fact:
The amount of money wasted in logistics in between the EU from brussels to strasbourg and vice-versa is enough to feed a small country for a year...
The amount of Personal extra traveling expenses claimed by EU staff is enough to make you and me sick....
In sum
sorry buddy but my vote is a not for me...
I get palpitations just thinking about what I seen and learned in my time in that mind prision called politics...
Posted by united
That is exactly why new kind of party is needed. To make the EU more efficient, starting from inside: the budget: 48% of it goes to agricultural subsidies. This is pure madness. And I agree totally with you about the Strasbourg-Brussels dilemma. We need to act!
Aki Paasovaara
Posted by Jim
Who or what are you ?
I ask this because of that:
"We want the agriculture subsidies to be scrapped by 2010."
Do you know anything about politics are you some kind of people that try to change things whitout even knowing what they are touching ?
_________________
(__/)
( O.o )
( > < )This is Bunny.
Copy Bunny into your signature to help him on his way to world domination!
sonyericsson themes
[ This Message was edited by: Jim on 2005-09-17 11:55 ]
Posted by Sammy_boy
I'm in two minds about Europe, on one side I don't like all the waste, corruption and greed that goes on in the EU, and on the other side, I'm kind of warming a bit to the idea of a united Europe, who could take on the USA in the world superpower stakes, and hopefully add a bit of common sense and compassion to world affairs!
Europe United? I have to say it sounds rather like an EU-wide football team!
I echo Jim - what are your credentials? Are you (like me) someone who sits in the pub saying 'it's all bad' and putting the world to rights over a pint, and decided to create a political party after having one too many, or are you much more organised, with an understanding and knowledge of European affairs and how the EU works?
Either way, at least you are trying to do something!
Posted by united
Well, - at a moment (we are just starting now) we are a mixture of young, ambitious polihooligans (I guess that it goes under the pub gategory
) and some experienced politicians supporting our efforts... Common to all of us, is the European identity and the strong feeling that we need to do something about the European future. About the organisation, read more from our page under about us.
www.EuropeUnited.Org
Aki Paasovaara
Posted by Sammy_boy
A 'polihooligan'?
I'm not sure I like the sound of that bit!
Posted by Johnex
A bit offtopic, but, what a shitty site!
Posted by Jim
Sorry to be suspicious but why you ask money and why you advertise your site on this site ?
Posted by zMastaa
im sorry but that is the worst hoax in the world.........
i site built on FREE PHP CODE and probably made in frontpage express lmao
The 10 € campaign price is only valid until the end of November 2005.
call me stupid but if i was to surf the web and spot this id take one glance and move on
but maybe i have misread the site.........correct me if im wrong
Posted by united
Well, - it is indeed build on free PHP (nuke) code and we feel no shame about it.
About the membership fee campaign. There is no political party without members and membership fees. And yes, the campaign price is only until end of November 2005. People who join after that the annual membership fee will be 20e.
Last comment: The site is under constant development, we are doing improvments continuously.
If you have any CONSTRUCTIVE critic, you can send it directly to me: europeunitedorg@yahoo.com
Thank you.
Posted by Leviath
Fact:
A country as much as anything else can be run like a business...
The right person for the right job (subject to psychoanalytic tests relevant for the importance of role and subject to carrer advancements (and re-tests) within that organization and able to continue contract until a general vote by the people that would indeed have the true power over theire representatives at this corporation if you like...
To quantify the hability to access this worker we would apoint a committee every year to access how good this company is doing and what our taxes now all abolished could be instead investments that we would make instead so each and one of us would own part of the public grounds, highways, services and so on...
So now we have some real control over our world we the people can take the responsability a little for all the phuk ups and Joys....
Listen whatever your political aspirations may be let me tell you what the definition of the word Politics is:
P-Pro-active
o-organization
l-letting off and
i-imposing high
t-taxes and
i-impersonating a
c-common and decent
s-somebody
What polititians need is lessons in how to forget they can swim followed by a swift flood...
Posted by Kryptik
I'm not from Europe, but if you're hoping to bring about improvements of whichever variety, go for it! That's why democracy exists- so that John Doe can exercise his rights in whichever way, including participation in the political arena.
Posted by Leviath
political arena sounds more where animals would fight for enjoyment of crowds... rings any bells...
I am all in favour of democracy just without the cancer of politics to turn a great idea into a nightmare.
So I dont want a part of the dirt, curruption and a lot else we never told about...
by all means everyone take a slice of the cancer, heck take my slice too....
Politics doesnt bring change, just more of the same.... How to pocket some easy money...
but some has to treacle out of that bag
Just enough to resurface the odd road here and there and oooo lets say the mistress a new flat...
_________________
For a while as a child I believed everything, now I grown up I am a sceptic about everything I believe.
[ This Message was edited by: Leviath on 2005-09-17 20:05 ]
Posted by Kryptik
You've got an idea there, mate... How about we let the politicians fight it out like gladiators? The winner gets thrown to the lions :-]
Posted by faultymonkey
YAY GREAT IDEA!!!!
Posted by Leviath
| Quote: |
|
It is but only one of the many uses for polititians...
We could bring back Public hangings with a twist.... Turn the dangling polititian into a PINATA.
Get one or several into a high security prison and let him be the biatch for the sexual entertainment of the ruff crew.... And film the whole lot as a reality TV show...
Feed one or several polititians with the purest nitroglicerin and get them to bungee jump on a non-streatching cord...
All these things could have tickets and people would text in newer ways to entertain the masses, phone in etc....
The procedings would then go to feeding the starving and build the people of earth a better world....
This would soon disuade the odd "I wanna be a dictator" sort of chap and turn him into a submissive biatch...
Possibilities and creativity is endless....
@United....
As I see it politics/polititians is a outdated concept we need another way.... It is only a matter of time until we take the step forward into evolution....
Just like Kings/Queens have given way to other ways of running a country, just like comunist and Fascist regimes have been toppled by people and other ways brought forward....
It is time to give way to a better way... The no politics way...
The way forward WE THE PEOPLE can make it happen... Always have and always will have the power to change the the way these idiots abuse the place given to represent us...
Posted by Sammy_boy
@Leviath - I agree!
People are getting sick with the way their countries and lives are being run, and how they can't even defend themselves against thieves and muggers without the risk of being sued or prosecuted
Something will happen soon, I know not what it will be, or how, or when, but soon the general populations of countries are going to get sick and tired of empty promises (or no promises - politicians have a sneaky way of saying something without actually promising to do it) and the same rubbish from every party and collectively do something.
I'd like to see a system where a local dignitary, hero, businessman, whatever be elected from a selection of people like that. No political party, no being almost forced to vote for what a party is going to do, every 'MP' is free to vote, or perhaps voting on what his constituency think - if they think in a poll that a piece of legislation is bad, then their 'MP' will vote against it. I hope that makes sense!
Sorry for threadjacking!
Posted by Leviath
I dont think we hijacked the topic, but rather this way United can see none of us is up for their ploy of yet another of the same...
I for one VOTE no to politics and groups that want to change or add to politics regardless of theire views and convictions...
I for one want to see NO politics at all...
Long live freedom and justice down with curruption and injustice...
Posted by Leviath
Just one note to all...
-For myself a lover of free will and peace I have unreservedly to apologise to United above all and to other users that in which I may, inadvertely caused any offense, disruption and in any other way I influenced others by any of my strong political or "non-political" views I may have here expressed.
And about that Invitation from United...
-Thanks but no thanks... Peace!
It is after all everyones right to defend theire beliefs and express them in an organized and peacefull way without fear of reprisals.
What was I on about again?